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Post by in the know on Dec 18, 2019 10:45:15 GMT
yet again the defence has let us down we need somebody who can command the goal mouth at set peaces we have signed a forward and a midfielder when it sticks out a mile that its in the defence that we need someone all season this has been our downfall if it had not been for our keeper we wold have lost to a team that cannot score and are bottom of the league
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Post by Connectingdots on Dec 18, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
Goals conceded in Jonah's final 10 games: 10
Goals conceded in Merritt's first 10 games: 25
But the players are the problem?
(Yes, 5 of those 25 goals were against a side from the league above - but 5 were also against a side from the league below.)
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Post by Freds mate on Dec 26, 2019 8:01:18 GMT
Another thing is more than twice St Albans went though our defensive midfield
Like they were not there: Sat Too deep is this a new tactic, because it will result in disaster.
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Post by Headington Blue on Dec 26, 2019 19:59:11 GMT
Unbelievable posts! We are on a run of form that has taken us from bottom of the league to 3 points off the play offs!
Yes our defending has been poor but look at the goals scored.
Under Jones we couldn’t score a goal. We lost 1-0 regularly.
Different approaches to the game but definitely better to watch and more points gained.
Don’t forget that this is still the team jones put together with a few additions.
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Post by Marston Blue on Dec 26, 2019 20:43:48 GMT
You've said it yourself...
It's the team that Jones put together... and that team could defend.
What's changed? The Management.
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Post by Jericho Lime Green on Dec 26, 2019 20:59:11 GMT
You've said it yourself... It's the team that Jones put together... and that team could defend. What's changed? The Management. AND we've been up against weaker teams. |
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Post by Headington Blue on Dec 26, 2019 22:53:37 GMT
One league win in 12 games and bottom of the league when Jones went.
We didn’t look like scoring in some games.
Yes defending has been poor as I said. But results get you points and not losing 1-0 every week.
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Post by Marston Blue on Dec 26, 2019 23:39:03 GMT
But since the new management have taken over, we've played three teams who were bottom of the league at time of playing (Tonbridge, St Albans, Hungerford), a team in the league below twice (Hornchurch), a team that hadn't won a league game for three months (Dulwich), a team who had big issues behind the scenes (Chelmsford). Slough, who would certainly agree with this, had a massive off day against us. But it should be mentioned that we did well under Andy at Dorking.
We've only really face two good teams since the management took over in Solihull and Maidstone, and we were totally outplayed in both matches and looked out of depth.
I would certainly have liked to have seen Jonah given that run of games, as I wouldn't be surprised if he got similar results as well as putting in a much better showing against Solihull in the cup.
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Post by Jericho Lime Green on Dec 27, 2019 0:45:42 GMT
But since the new management have taken over, we've played three teams who were bottom of the league at time of playing (Tonbridge, St Albans, Hungerford), a team in the league below twice (Hornchurch), a team that hadn't won a league game for three months (Dulwich), a team who had big issues behind the scenes (Chelmsford). Slough, who would certainly agree with this, had a massive off day against us. But it should be mentioned that we did well under Andy at Dorking. We've only really face two good teams since the management took over in Solihull and Maidstone, and we were totally outplayed in both matches and looked out of depth. I would certainly have liked to have seen Jonah given that run of games, as I wouldn't be surprised if he got similar results as well as putting in a much better showing against Solihull in the cup. |
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Post by Kings left sock on Dec 27, 2019 9:22:53 GMT
Since we drew with St Albans they have won twice against decent sides. I think we can point to statistics and come up with different observations, all of which are relevant. Jonah isn't coming back. I think there is a lack of confidence defensively, but nothing that can't be sorted out a win helps whoever it's against, let's hope we can take it into the next game learn from mistakes and try and improve. I hope any injuries are not too serious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 10:16:14 GMT
The mind boggles.... under the new management team we have played 8 league matches, won 5, drawn 2 and lost only once (we went down to 10 men in the first half).
It’s all opinions but for what it’s worth mine is I think Justin, Andy, Ross and Alan have done one hell of a job. We have gone from bottom of the league to three points off a play-off spot with a game in hand.
I’m struggling to see any reason to be negative, it’s now a huge game against Weymouth tomorrow and we have given ourselves a shot and a reason to be optimistic. We are the great entertainers and I’d rather see us win 3-2 over us win 1-0. There will be plenty of ups and downs over the remainder of the season but I would urge everyone to be positive and support the tremendous job Justin, Andy, Ross and Alan have done. Paul Lyon also deserves huge praise in the way both Jonah and the new team have been supported in terms of the playing budget.
If we can keep scoring one more than the opposition we will have a season we can all remember for many years to come.
Come on you Hoops
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Post by Marston Blue on Dec 27, 2019 11:09:34 GMT
The great entertainers? Have you watched any of the last few games? We’ve looked like utter relegation fodder. We were lucky to win yesterday, and failed to win against the other two teams bottom of the league, and a team in the league below.
As for the playing budget... yes, he’s done a great job at redistributing the FA Cup money that Jonah has brought in over the past few years.
As you said, it’s just all opinions, and mine is that we’re playing worse now than we were under Jonah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 11:45:19 GMT
Respect your view, you pay your money and are entitled to it. I disagree entirely but it would be boring if we all thought the same. I’m delighted with the way things are going and feel sorry you don’t feel the same. Come and say hello tomorrow at Weymouth, let’s hope we are cheering City on to another victory together.
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Post by Headington Blue on Dec 27, 2019 12:07:17 GMT
To Marston Blue. You say redistributing the FA cup money!
The Club was heavily in debt and nearly out of business 3 years ago. By all reports in the media the FA Cup money earned in the last 3 years is about 200k in total. According to the National League records, the average annual wage bills are about 300k a season at this level.
So thats 900k of players wages less 200k FA cup money with Jones in charge= 700k to find. Where does that money come from and at the same time pay off the debts.Especially with only 300 fans a week watching the games.
Its a miracle we are still in the same division.
As I said above, yes the defending has been poor. But at least we are winning games.
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Post by Rijs on Dec 27, 2019 12:16:54 GMT
Interesting debate with valid opinions on both sides and the reality probably somewhere in the middle.
Jonah was popular and achieved a lot in his time at the club. He was pushed out abruptly when most fans thought he should have been given longer, as evidenced by the large number of views expressed on here at the time, and the way it is still being discussed. I think those are facts rather than just opinions.
I would say it is also a fact that in the early months of the season we had a high percentage of our fixtures against the better teams. We did lose a couple of those by 1-0 (e.g., last-minute defeat at table-topping Wealdstone; disputed penalty in a game at on-form (at the time) Braintree); but we were certainly not losing 1-0 regularly, as Headington Blue says. Since the change, we have had a high percentage of fixtures against teams in the lower part of the table, so it is reasonable to assume we would have done better in this period even if the management had not changed. It doesn't point to a transformation. And, as has been said, the team is still largely what Jonah had assembled.
Nor were we generally bottom of the league, though we were low.
It's also a fact that we were conceding and scoring fewer goals in the league. It's a matter of opinion whether we are now playing more or less attractive football, but I think many fans would agree the matches have been entertaining.
In the end, we shall have to see how we fare over the coming months when we face more of the tough teams again. Weymouth and Wealdstone coming up will give us an idea, for a start.
Whatever our view, the fact is that Jonah has gone and probably isn't coming back. Andy and Justin are also good City men who are no doubt working hard to improve the club's fortunes, and they deserve our support, as do the players who are giving their all. If we do reach the play-offs - a big if - this debate will be put to rest; likewise, if we slip and drop into a tense relegation battle. It could go either way. My guess is we shall finish mid-table or just below, but I shall keep supporting and hoping for better!
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Post by Marston Blue on Dec 27, 2019 12:43:24 GMT
To Marston Blue. You say redistributing the FA cup money! The Club was heavily in debt and nearly out of business 3 years ago. By all reports in the media the FA Cup money earned in the last 3 years is about 200k in total. According to the National League records, the average annual wage bills are about 300k a season at this level. So thats 900k of players wages less 200k FA cup money with Jones in charge= 700k to find. Where does that money come from and at the same time pay off the debts.Especially with only 300 fans a week watching the games. Its a miracle we are still in the same division. As I said above, yes the defending has been poor. But at least we are winning games. “It’s a miracle we’re still in the same division” - Who is that down to? Oh yeah, the management who worked wonders with limited resources to keep us above the dotted line, and then gets chucked with no loyalty whatsoever. |
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Post by Headington Blue on Jan 4, 2020 19:26:20 GMT
Oxford 3 Wealdstone 2..
I rest my case.
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Post by Marston Blue on Jan 4, 2020 22:00:24 GMT
Rest what case?
Just because of a fine win (and congratulations to Justin and Andy on that today), doesn’t all of a sudden mean that they take all of the credit for Jonah’s work in the previous few seasons.
If you’re referring about the defence... well they still conceded twice.
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Post by Headington Blue on Jan 4, 2020 23:35:22 GMT
you were saying that we only beat teams at the bottom of the league! Now we have beaten Wealdstone and you are still bleating! Are you really a City fan?
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Post by Jericho Lime Green on Jan 5, 2020 12:11:46 GMT
you were saying that we only beat teams at the bottom of the league! Now we have beaten Wealdstone and you are still bleating! Are you really a City fan? If a good side lose to a bad team, they aren't then instantly a bad side If a bad side win against a good team, they aren't instantly a good side We're talking about long-term patterns, one result doesn't trump that and you'd have to be braindead to think it did |
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Post by Rijs on Jan 5, 2020 13:44:42 GMT
I think, as Jonah used to say, it's a game of fine margins. One near miss, one poor refereeing decision, one player going off injured, and the whole course of the game is altered. A run of games like that and a season is altered. The teams in our league cannot be divided into good and bad - it's all relative. But City are better than some Wealdstone fans expected. It was a good performance from the Hoops, very professional, and Benyon, who they called a 'reject', was outstanding. Zac is also continuing in fine form and Joe was immense yesterday. All credit to Andy and Justin.
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Post by Marston Blue on Jan 11, 2020 19:24:04 GMT
Dartford 3-0 Oxford City..
I rest my case.
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Post by Jericho Lime Green on Jan 11, 2020 23:34:56 GMT
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!?!?!
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Post by in the know on Jan 20, 2020 9:59:33 GMT
O DEAR what a shambles what has gone wrong,
no 1 all season everybody knows the defence needed somebody coming in as it was no different from last season but no it was left as it was
no2 the long ball is just not working when we have no tall target man to aim at only 5ft nothing forwards
no3 why do we not play the short ball from the back anymore
n0 4why is Selfie not playing in midfield you need somebody we his work rate
no 5 we all had a moan about Mark but we never let goals in as we are now
thats my moan for saturday lets hope the management can do something about it
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