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Post by ChrisB on Jun 21, 2017 16:04:49 GMT
I notice that the 'Business & Sponsorship' Brochure says that, "the club played their first recorded match in 1882...".
Previously the Club Notes merely said that it could trace its history back to 1882. If there is now evidence of a 'recorded match' in 1882 I'd be interested in seeing the details as I have never, over many years, been able to find anything recorded (in any of the newspapers that might have mentioned such a game) before a match against Thame Grammar School on March 15th 1884 that City lost 4-2.
Where the foundation date of 1882 came from is a complete mystery. Early programmes (pre-WW1) said that the club was, 'established in 1885 and reformed in 1893'. Later there was no mention at all of a foundation date until "founded: 1882" suddenly appeared on the front of the programmes at the beginning of the 1947-48 season.
Anyway, any new 'news' on that first fixture would be gratefully received.
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 13, 2017 10:55:05 GMT
ChrisB - is your list of Oxford City players over the years still available? It used to appear on your excellent website - but the player details seem to have gone.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 13, 2017 14:12:25 GMT
As with the match results which were also on Google, they appeared to get scrambled(?) a while back, so rather than having dubious material there I've binned them.
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Post by Rijs on Aug 13, 2017 19:24:37 GMT
Wish I'd seen that website before things were binned!
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 14, 2017 16:29:31 GMT
Is there anywhere I can get access to them - or is the printed version available? As with the match results which were also on Google, they appeared to get scrambled(?) a while back, so rather than having dubious material there I've binned them.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 14, 2017 17:03:19 GMT
All rather in a variety of notebooks etc. I'm not sure how the spreadsheets on Google got messed up...presumably something I did at some point. All rather annoying.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 14, 2017 17:24:40 GMT
You could also see if there are any of the booklets listing the players that I produced seven or eight seasons ago. They were still listed in the 'shop' section of the website last season, so there may still be some floating around at the club.
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 15, 2017 14:37:05 GMT
I'm initally just after the 12 players records who appeared on the Pinnace cards in 1922-23
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2017 15:32:07 GMT
I'll see what I can find. Do you have a list of the 12 players' names? I ought to have them somewhere but, at the moment, can only lay my hands on the six that I used on that page on the website.
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 15, 2017 16:26:58 GMT
Yes - I'm looking for their used first name (I have most) as well as the years active and number of matches played and goals scored?.
Looking to frame the collection but as the cards are so small it needs something to space things out.
D Allison A M Evans A E Butler R M Golby G Williams H Harley F T Ansell V Spiller G Buckingham A T Jakeman H Wackett B J Brooker
Thank you
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 15, 2017 16:28:34 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 15, 2017 17:06:44 GMT
Yes - I'm looking for their used first name (I have most) as well as the years active and number of matches played and goals scored?. Looking to frame the collection but as the cards are so small it needs something to space things out. D Allison A M Evans A E Butler R M Golby G Williams H Harley F T Ansell V Spiller G Buckingham A T Jakeman H Wackett B J Brooker Thank you Excellent that you have all twelve. I have some, but not all. I'll look them up, but I may not have an answer until tomorrow or Thursday. For those following the thread, you can also see some of the cards on the relevant page of the History site: CLICK HERE
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 16, 2017 14:36:18 GMT
Don Allison (1922-26) 11 matches for 1st XI/4 goals. He also played for QPR as an amateur. Fred Ansell (1911-23) (231/7). He was an England Amateur International. Ben Brooker (1919-29) (288/2). Guy Buckingham (1912-23) (172/129). A.E. Butler (1922) (7/0). A. Evans (1922) (4/1). Reg Golby (1920-23) (90/11). Bert Harley (1911/27) (248/0). I doubt anyone since has kept goal for City on more occasions. Alf Jakeman (1910-25) (105/50). Played for Oxford University. Fred Spiller (1911-27) (237/16). An England Amateur International. Harry Wackett (1914-25) (172/64). G (or C?) Williams (1922) (14/5).
Hope this helps. I'd not come across that site all about the Pinnace cards before: very interesting.
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Post by waynetilling on Aug 16, 2017 15:17:56 GMT
Thank you Chris - I asked Frank last night about copies of your book and he is fairly sure there are not any in the hut.
But he is going to re-check and let me know at the next game.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 18, 2017 8:25:02 GMT
I notice that the 'Business & Sponsorship' Brochure says that, " the club played their first recorded match in 1882...". Previously the Club Notes merely said that it could trace its history back to 1882. If there is now evidence of a 'recorded match' in 1882 I'd be interested in seeing the details as I have never, over many years, been able to find anything recorded (in any of the newspapers that might have mentioned such a game) before a match against Thame Grammar School on March 15th 1884 that City lost 4-2. Where the foundation date of 1882 came from is a complete mystery. Early programmes (pre-WW1) said that the club was, ' established in 1885 and reformed in 1893'. Later there was no mention at all of a foundation date until " founded: 1882" suddenly appeared on the front of the programmes at the beginning of the 1947-48 season. Anyway, any new 'news' on that first fixture would be gratefully received. So, going back to the original question on the thread. Does anyone know if there has been some new information unearthed that shows that City did actually play a match in 1882? I'd be grateful to know if that is the case.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 29, 2017 12:45:24 GMT
I notice that the 'Business & Sponsorship' Brochure says that, " the club played their first recorded match in 1882...". Previously the Club Notes merely said that it could trace its history back to 1882. If there is now evidence of a 'recorded match' in 1882 I'd be interested in seeing the details as I have never, over many years, been able to find anything recorded (in any of the newspapers that might have mentioned such a game) before a match against Thame Grammar School on March 15th 1884 that City lost 4-2. Where the foundation date of 1882 came from is a complete mystery. Early programmes (pre-WW1) said that the club was, ' established in 1885 and reformed in 1893'. Later there was no mention at all of a foundation date until " founded: 1882" suddenly appeared on the front of the programmes at the beginning of the 1947-48 season. Anyway, any new 'news' on that first fixture would be gratefully received. So, going back to the original question on the thread. Does anyone know if there has been some new information unearthed that shows that City did actually play a match in 1882? I'd be grateful to know if that is the case.So I presume that's a "No", and the 1882 date remains guesswork(?), or, at the very least, unsubstantiated.
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Aug 29, 2017 13:04:14 GMT
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Post by hedges on Aug 29, 2017 13:04:14 GMT
To the forum regulars Chris your our go to man for anything to do with city history and unless someone is lurking who knows and probably would by now have contacted you privately I think it's safe to assume it's guess work.
On a side note sorry you lost the history database. It was a great resource and one of those things that people looked at maybe more than you realise.... I was speaking to a friend a few months back at the pub and he mentioned his brother played a season with City...scored a few goals...i got on the phone straight to your site and excel sheet there and then and sure enough there was his brother's name and stats. Hopefully one day we will see another or resurrected version of it. 🙂
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 29, 2017 16:10:57 GMT
Thanks Hedges. I really don't know what happened to the Google pages, but I was unable to 'unscramble' them to my satisfaction. Of course I've still got the original material on (a lot of pieces of!) paper, so I may try to redo it at some point. In the meantime I'm glad it was useful.
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Post by waynetilling on Oct 8, 2019 11:49:35 GMT
Revisiting an old topic - ChrisB - did you get any further with your database?
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 8, 2019 13:13:22 GMT
Revisiting an old topic - ChrisB - did you get any further with your database? I think the simplest answer is not really. While I do have most of the material still, much (including match data) is not in a digital form.
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Post by ChrisB on Oct 8, 2019 18:16:28 GMT
Looking back at one of Wayne's postings further up, and the link in it, I see that you can now get (large) reproduction postcards of the Pinnace Oxford City group. Only £5.99 (if I read it correctly!) for the set of 12. For anyone interested, the link is HERE.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 5, 2020 11:26:05 GMT
So, going back to the original question on the thread. Does anyone know if there has been some new information unearthed that shows that City did actually play a match in 1882? I'd be grateful to know if that is the case. So I presume that's a "No", and the 1882 date remains guesswork(?), or, at the very least, unsubstantiated. I just thought I'd resurrect this old thread as '1882' seems to be featuring prominently at the moment. With several new people working at the Club I wondered if they'd discovered something new that could reliably fix City's formation for that year, as I had always been interested in the origin of the claim of that year as a start-date.
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Post by toocoulson4schoolson on Feb 5, 2020 12:48:34 GMT
"With several new people working at the Club I wondered if they'd discovered something new that could reliably fix City's formation for that year"
I admire you for having the optimism to assume this bit of marketing is comprehensively sourced
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 5, 2020 13:22:36 GMT
"With several new people working at the Club I wondered if they'd discovered something new that could reliably fix City's formation for that year" I admire you for having the optimism to assume this bit of marketing is comprehensively sourced Ah...just a thought Though it would be nice to find some evidence to show that OCFC were playing football in 1882!
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