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Post by OCFC Fan on Jul 15, 2013 9:06:34 GMT
Nope, not Thomas... just someone who is a City fan.
Have to love the fact that everyone who posts a positive comment is labelled as Thomas - suspect he has better things to do than read our comments on this forum!
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 15, 2013 10:27:10 GMT
Nope, not Thomas... just someone who is a City fan. Have to love the fact that everyone who posts a positive comment is labelled as Thomas - suspect he has better things to do than read our comments on this forum! I'm sure you're right! Let's hope there are as many comments about the football from all these new 'posters' when the matches really get underway ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 15, 2013 20:15:12 GMT
Mmmmm..... worried supporter or Oxford United fan posing as a potential investor/shareholder..... if in doubt, refer to Rage Online forum... Perhaps if person had been more honest about why they wanted to meet instead of pretending to be someone they weren't..... Actually I think you'll find that the chap you're referring to is a Swansea City season ticket holder whose son plays for one of the OCFC teams so has a keen interest in what's going on. As for 'honesty' are you honestly convinced by The Yank? Have you ever met or even seen him? Why are you convinced everything is good? Perhaps you have some inside information that has convinced you so why not share it and help us feel better about it? Who's paying for this world tour? Has enough funding been raised to even cover the tour let alone finance the club?
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 15, 2013 20:21:33 GMT
Nope, not Thomas... just someone who is a City fan. Have to love the fact that everyone who posts a positive comment is labelled as Thomas - suspect he has better things to do than read our comments on this forum! I'm sure you're right! Let's hope there are as many comments about the football from all these new 'posters' when the matches really get underway ;) You sound very casual about the whole situation too Chris. I reckon you've got some good contacts so can you share with us what you know that makes you so relaxed? Just because people are new to the board doesn't de-value what they have to say does it? Some of us may follow United more than City but that doesn't mean we're mischief making - I am genuinely concerned that OCFC are in danger of losing everything people have worked so hard to build in the last 25+ years since they were last 'had over' and lost the White House and Isthmian League status. Perhaps I shouldn't bother ...
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Post by Bookman on Jul 16, 2013 8:24:35 GMT
I am disappointed by Chris B's latest post. It suggests a lack of concern at the club over the integrity of their business associates. And it would be good to get an answer on who is paying for Mr G's world travels. BTW I do attend City games on an intermittent but regular basis and have done so since 1995. Not sure if I will this season, though.
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 16, 2013 9:09:41 GMT
I am disappointed by Chris B's latest post. It suggests a lack of concern at the club over the integrity of their business associates. And it would be good to get an answer on who is paying for Mr G's world travels. BTW I do attend City games on an intermittent but regular basis and have done so since 1995. Not sure if I will this season, though. Oh dear, I find it hard to see how simply agreeing with OCFC Fan's comments about the unlikelihood of Mr G posting on this Forum could be construed as '...suggesting a lack of concern at the Club etc., etc.'. I clearly need to practise reading between the lines more. I am, like all OCFC supporters I presume, wary of where this new road might take us, but I have to assume that the eminently sensible people who have taken this club from where it was in 1988 to where it is now thought long and hard before making the decisions they have done over the last few months. As I am sure we are all aware, it must be incredibly difficult to run a football club in these days of economic uncertainty, dwindling attendances, and a perennial expectation of continued success and rise through the Pyramid. All avenues of income need to be researched: and it is, of course, to be hoped that this one was researched thoroughly. In the meantime I will wait and see what the new football season has to bring - increased gates and a good cup run are my main hopes - and return to trying to produce some new items for the pre-season friendly programmes.
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Post by Bookman on Jul 16, 2013 9:41:23 GMT
Appreciate your reply, Chris, and thanks for all your work for the club. Do think you are mistaken that Mr G doesn't read this and other forums where the matter has been raised. I, too, had faith in the "eminently sensible people" running OCFC but in my mind they have fallen from grace with a gigantic thud. Clearly there are difficult decisions to face - would promotion to the Conference be a step too far re Court Place Farm? The eventual financial outcome from the WMX deal will be revealed in due course and some will look wise and others foolish!
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Post by ChrisB on Jul 16, 2013 10:00:48 GMT
Yes, he may well look at the Forum. It was really the suggestions that others have made that he would take the time to post responses with a positive spin under a variety of pseudonyms that I found somewhat unlikely. As someone far-removed from Oxford these days, I have no first-hand knowledge of what is evolving, but in glass-half-full mode feel it is right to wait and see and hope it's all for the best. Personally I thought that Southern Premier was 'about right' for City...so I'll make no predictions as to the Conference! Just hope we can have another good season in 13/14 (plus a good cup run).
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Post by Steve Bateman (not STFC) on Jul 16, 2013 22:37:37 GMT
Yes, he may well look at the Forum. It was really the suggestions that others have made that he would take the time to post responses with a positive spin under a variety of pseudonyms that I found somewhat unlikely. As someone far-removed from Oxford these days, I have no first-hand knowledge of what is evolving, but in glass-half-full mode feel it is right to wait and see and hope it's all for the best. Personally I thought that Southern Premier was 'about right' for City...so I'll make no predictions as to the Conference! Just hope we can have another good season in 13/14 (plus a good cup run). I will gladly take that. Top 10 would be nice but mid-table isn't a bad place to end up. Will be an interesting season, I'm sure of that.
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 17, 2013 21:36:51 GMT
I'd gladly take that too but surely The Yank would expect much better?
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Post by CITY FAN on Jul 18, 2013 6:35:16 GMT
Appreciate your reply, Chris, and thanks for all your work for the club. Do think you are mistaken that Mr G doesn't read this and other forums where the matter has been raised. I, too, had faith in the "eminently sensible people" running OCFC but in my mind they have fallen from grace with a gigantic thud. Clearly there are difficult decisions to face - would promotion to the Conference be a step too far re Court Place Farm? The eventual financial outcome from the WMX deal will be revealed in due course and some will look wise and others foolish! And if you look foolish you will fade away or move on to your next project, hopefully taking underwear with you!
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Post by factchecker on Jul 18, 2013 12:21:54 GMT
Appreciate your reply, Chris, and thanks for all your work for the club. Do think you are mistaken that Mr G doesn't read this and other forums where the matter has been raised. I, too, had faith in the "eminently sensible people" running OCFC but in my mind they have fallen from grace with a gigantic thud. Clearly there are difficult decisions to face - would promotion to the Conference be a step too far re Court Place Farm? The eventual financial outcome from the WMX deal will be revealed in due course and some will look wise and others foolish! And if you look foolish you will fade away or move on to your next project, hopefully taking underwear with you! Indeed. It must be simply terrible for the club to have people concerned for its long term well being!
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Post by Bookman on Jul 22, 2013 14:02:17 GMT
"...hopefully taking underwear with you!" Is that a Wall Street expression, City Fan? Perhaps you could address more serious issues such as what actual revenue is being raised for the football club. And what arrangements have been made to resolve the conflict of interest whereby WMX Group has a duty to try and make money for its shareholders but has acquired a trading company whose primary object is to raise money for its parent charity. It would be interesting to know what advice the Charities Commission gave on this peculiar deal. Mind you, as both companies were loss-making at the time of the takeover, any concerns might be academic. Let us hope that the club's assets can be tied successfully to the charity and not the trading company. Of more immediate concern is whether all sponsorship is being channelled through the trading company or whether local sponsors are still dealing directly with the charity. But no doubt the Board's vow of silence will continue to prevail.
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Post by City Fan on Jul 22, 2013 14:49:49 GMT
Any other forum would have closed this down, yet you would squeel Like a kitten with its tail caught in a door if this happened, its just boring repetative Questions that have mostly been answered, get in contact with the charities commission. Please feel free to contact the FA aswell you and pants seem to have all the answers like The excellent keyboard warriors that you are.
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 22, 2013 19:22:37 GMT
Ha ha! City Fan, I've just realised you mean me when you refer to Underwear and Pants. Are you still at school? (I know, I know, the schools have broken up but you know what I mean).
Why would any other forum have closed this thread down? Some people have been asking pertinent questions whilst others having been turning a blind eye to the dubious credentials of someone who appears to be representing OCFC on a global basis to little effect but at goodness knows what cost, whilst others maintain an undignified silence about what the hell they have done.
What questions have "mainly been answered"? Certainly nobody has revealed who approached who, who negotiated on behalf of OCFC, what advice was received by OCFC and from whom, who made the final decision for OCFC, how much OCFC have received so far, who is paying for the world tour, how much the world tour has raised, whether OCFC can step away from the 'arrangement' etc etc or blah blah blah as someone else said on another thread.
The whole point is that I (Pants, ha ha!) DON'T have all the answers which is why I am so worried. I'm not a keyboard warrior - my understanding that is someone who makes threats hiding behind the anonymity of the internet - just someone who has City very close to my heart and is concerned about the situation. But you knew that already.
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 22, 2013 19:24:07 GMT
Oh, forgot to say, best wishes to the OCFC team for the coming season. I'll be there tomorrow evening and if I see The Yank there I will ask him those questions myself.
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Post by Ash on Jul 23, 2013 7:27:57 GMT
What questions have "mainly been answered"? Certainly nobody has revealed who approached who, who negotiated on behalf of OCFC, what advice was received by OCFC and from whom, who made the final decision for OCFC, how much OCFC have received so far, who is paying for the world tour, how much the world tour has raised, whether OCFC can step away from the 'arrangement' etc etc or blah blah blah as someone else said on another thread. Just to play Devils Advocate and all that. If you asked those questions of any other Company would you expect answers?
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Post by factchecker on Jul 23, 2013 8:25:13 GMT
That's a fair question Ash, and the answer would almost certainly be "No". However, I also think that Undertaker is asking the wrong questions. Even if those questions were answered would it actually tell us anything? I don't think so. What the club really do need to reveal is what checks and balances are in place to ensure that any funds being raised by Guerriero using the OCFC name are actually coming to the football club and not into his own company. As somebody has pointed out, the American OCFC company exists to make money for its shareholders (putting aside the suspicion that it is nothing more than a boiler room outfit anyway), and this is in direct conflict with the stated aim of raising funds for OCFC. Would I expect any other company to be answering those questions? In light of all the information available, yes, I would.
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Post by city fan on Jul 23, 2013 8:48:16 GMT
No a keyboard warrior can be a troll who is repetitive, makes accusations that are Libelous Like cutting and pasting articles that have allegations that have have not be proven in a court of law. Also call anyone who as an alternative point of view "The Yank" . Point that have been answered 1) Many people have stopped posting since it has been pointed out that he is not the owner but has a 49% share in a trading company with OCFC charitable company unchanged. Which even the regestered concerned new user has acknowledged . So you then move on to have a go at the charitable company, with your friend or schizoid other half bookman. You make sarcastic remarks on other threads ferret racing, preseason Friendly thread. But this is apparently not troll like behaviour or obsessive. Finally, and I say this because I won't be feeding you again, these people have a season To get on with on the pitch at least respect that and keep to this thread if you must !
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Post by Bookman on Jul 23, 2013 11:30:03 GMT
Agree Ash's question is fair. I think you would expect a charity with a justifiable reputation for a strong community ethos to answer reasonable enquiries which do not affect commercial confidentiality. Cut-and-paste can be used to draw attention to information already in the public domain and invite the reader to make up their own mind. For instance, try: investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=90028455Extract from post 2649: "The company owns Oxford City FC a 131 year old football club (www.oxfordcityfc.com). The name change will be effective in the next few weeks and this is tremendous for the company. Oxford City FC F.K.A WMX Group Holdings is a holding company which owns the football club, the stadium, the training facility, Oxford City Sports College, a University in the US which will be building a physical campus in South Florida and a Registered Investment Advisory Firm in Florida. All these components increase potential short term and long term revenue potential on many fronts." No mention of minority ownership or that the stadium is leased rather than owned. Of course the message could be posted by an excited investor or it could be planted by a company spokesman.
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Post by Steve B on Jul 23, 2013 20:15:09 GMT
So TG's company now owns Oxford City and its associated assets?
Can't somebody from the club please come forward to confirm just what the f'ing hell is going on at Oxford City FC. The lack of statements on the club site or in the local media is very worrying.
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Post by tag on Jul 24, 2013 6:32:24 GMT
So TG's company now owns Oxford City and its associated assets? Can't somebody from the club please come forward to confirm just what the f'ing hell is going on at Oxford City FC. The lack of statements on the club site or in the local media is very worrying. I suspect Mr Guerriero is just indulging in his usual self-aggrandising hyperbole.
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Post by Barney on Jul 24, 2013 14:08:15 GMT
He (or his team) is very good at using very long drawn out statements that probably do contain useful and valid pieces of information, but are just too long and tedious for the average person to wade through and try to understand.
Most of the answers to most of supporters concerns are probably out there somewhere amongst all the blather, it is just that no one has had the energy to wade through it all, or having managed to do so, the heart to set about repeating it in simpler terms.
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Post by Undertaker on Jul 24, 2013 17:39:34 GMT
With all due respect to factchecker I don't think I am asking the wrong questions but I agree there are a lot of other questions that could also be asked.
With all due respect to Barney I don't agree that most of the answers are out there somewhere because if the were someone would have found them and put them on here.
With all due respect to city fan I still don't think I'm a troll and I'm a bit disappointed that he can't see that I am genuinely concerned about what is happening at OCFC (and a couple of things I heard last night from different sources didn't help!) so I think I'll do him a favour and leave it at that. There's nothing I can do or say that will change the situation anyway!
Best wishes to City for the new season, on last night's showing there appears to be little reason to worry about them on the pitch!
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Post by Bookman on Jul 24, 2013 19:03:01 GMT
Yes, no doubt 5-1 will be presented as the Second Coming! Fully support Undertaker's last post. Sorry, Barney, don't agree with you. I am no commercial expert but I do have a long experience of reading legal documents and have read all the publicly filed ones on this matter. Tons of questions remain, many posed on this thread. Bluster is a common US business practice but here we allow inconvenient hard facts to get in the way. It is the job of the club's accountants, Wenn Townsend, to explain these matters to those involved in the charity. No doubt this will appear in a future annual report, although the 2012 report is already substantially overdue at the Charity Commission. It begins to look as though a gagging clause is silencing the Board, although the need for one is a mystery. Why is all the noise being made by the minority owner, whilst the supposed majority owner, the Oxford City Football Club Youth charity has gone AWOL. And what has happened to Colin Taylor's promised strategy updates on the official club website? Not that his first one in April made any business sense. Seeking new business partners two days after announcing the sale of 49% of the company is mighty peculiar. What's left to offer? Still many causes for concern.
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Post by Barney on Jul 25, 2013 12:38:50 GMT
Well perhaps that is the secret to his success then, put out piles of blather to which people presume there is some factual stuff somewhere therein, but don't put any factual stuff in at all in the hope people can't be bothered to check.....but will that tactic survive the micro-police that is UK football supporters??
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Post by Email Recipient on Jul 25, 2013 15:55:51 GMT
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Post by Bookman on Jul 25, 2013 17:05:46 GMT
Depends how you define success, Barney. But we know Mr G is successful because he has told us so himself. But the new season is upon us and I don't want to be too negative at this time, so I shall take my own vow of silence for now re this thread. There are other directions in which the matter can be pursued.
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Post by tag on Aug 15, 2013 15:18:29 GMT
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Post by factchecker on Aug 16, 2013 12:03:41 GMT
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