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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 16:16:13 GMT
I dont think the oxford mail can ignore this and when they get wind, I'm pretty sure they will want a statement although having to tread carefully untill the proceedings have finished. The club owes it not only to the fans but all the playing staff to make it as clear as posible what their position is concerning the matter!
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Post by emma on Dec 13, 2015 16:35:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 19:06:06 GMT
Yes, the same applys on the club website.
where there is no mention of Fraud charges, I would not expect any diference until
they are concluded.
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Post by hedges on Dec 13, 2015 21:28:15 GMT
Since its all been blown out the water I might throw a question to the Futsal Players (who are a very nice bunch of chaps and pretty approachable).... 4 of whom have played for TAGS team in America.
"If its all a scam, why the fu*k would you travel half way round the world to play for an amateur Futsal team in England, which could also be a scam?"...."Why risk it?"
The answer could be as simple as they wanted the opportunity to work under EG (Who I understand is quite a well known and respected coach in Spain)....
This question is (sorry WAS) my one, single minuscule piece of hope that at least some aspects of TAGs work were legitimate.
This also raises the question about the future of the Indoor arena in Berinsfield which I personally believe has been the center of TAGs interest and while it won't bother most of you, there is a handful of volunteers there who have put there heart and soul into that place and will be devastated if its lost.
Not sure anyone noted but EG wasn't at the Eastbourne game, that's because he was in Spain with a group of U12 Oxford youngsters for a Futsal Training camp.
We lose Berinsfield, we lose the Futsal, we lose EG and the Spanish connection, which certainly would be detrimental to the 1st Team at least in the Short term.
Worst case would be that Danny and JM would decide to leave as well.
Better that than not having any team to support at all mind!
Just hope Berinsfield is being bankrolled by the Club (or related off shoot) rather than TAGS 'dirty' money.
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Post by Intrigued on Dec 13, 2015 21:59:43 GMT
What makes you think EG is well known in Spain? He's lived in Oxford for some time, he played for Marston Saints & other local sides and as far as I can see he's never worked as a coach in Spain
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Post by toocoulson4schoolson on Dec 13, 2015 22:30:23 GMT
We lose Berinsfield, we lose the Futsal, we lose EG and the Spanish connection So you're saying we could be rid of Del Alamo AND Santiago? I'm failing to see the downside here. |
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Post by hedges on Dec 13, 2015 23:06:55 GMT
What makes you think EG is well known in Spain? He's lived in Oxford for some time, he played for Marston Saints & other local sides and as far as I can see he's never worked as a coach in Spain Maybe he hasn't, only going on word of mouth on that....from multiple people. To be fair to Del Almo has played much better this year...Santiago since he broke his nose has gone down hill making a mistake pretty much every game it seems. Need Hendo back ASAP! However are you saying therefore EG's involvement HAS NOT bought anything to the table?.... Obviously the possibility is im not giving Mark, Justin or Danny enough credit here, but I think its safe to say that all five together bring different things to our play and we have probably one of the best coaching teams in the division as a a result. |
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Post by toocoulson4schoolson on Dec 13, 2015 23:37:43 GMT
However are you saying therefore EG's involvement HAS NOT bought anything to the table?.... I have no idea what he has or hasn't brought to the table: I was making a cheap joke. |
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Post by hedges on Dec 13, 2015 23:55:52 GMT
However are you saying therefore EG's involvement HAS NOT bought anything to the table?.... I have no idea what he has or hasn't brought to the table: I was making a cheap joke. Haha, yep and I completely missed it..... though there are afew around who would very seriously agree with you and thus I can use that as my excuse!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 7:56:03 GMT
There are so many questions to be asked and answered. Everyone knows now I saw a postman yesterday and he jokingly said what will Royal Mail do without our money for renting their facility for our basketball team. Obvuiously one of two things will hapen or an avalanche! 1) We get a more informed statement being careful about the legal issue but providing clarity and reassurence. 2) They leave it there go into damage limitation until the ocfc real accounts for this past financial year are released. Avalanche, I don't want to think about that senario. Padz playing centre forward and me in the defence a sight for sore eyes. Great result in the trophy we now need to do a ferriby cos 13K is a start but somehow think we need much more. I do hope I am wrong. I have said the coaching team in my opinion are the best in the league can we afford to keep all of them hopefully until the end of the season anyway.
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Post by Dave Savage left sock on Dec 14, 2015 8:51:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 9:09:36 GMT
Radio Oxford sports headlines more on the half hour apparently
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 9:49:09 GMT
Radio Oxford sports headlines more on the half hour apparently For those that didnt hear: Brian Cox Chairman OCFC Charitable company. 'Most unfortunate what has happened, Oxford city F C will not be effected by what is happening. He, (TAG) helped set up the Berinsfield Futsal operation that continues, so does the separate runing of ocfc.' |
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Post by timh on Dec 14, 2015 10:43:44 GMT
Scant comment from club..http://m.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14142833.Ex_Oxford_City_director_faces_fraud_charges_in_United_States/ ...sorry, zero comment from club.
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Post by hedges on Dec 14, 2015 13:57:46 GMT
Radio Oxford sports headlines more on the half hour apparently For those that didnt hear: Brian Cox Chairman OCFC Charitable company. 'Most unfortunate what has happened, Oxford city F C will not be effected by what is happening. He, (TAG) helped set up the Berinsfield Futsal operation that continues, so does the separate runing of ocfc.' I don't think the club are going to be able to elaborate more due to legalities but Brian has pretty much confirmed what I was getting at in my previous post. Sounds from that small comment that its berinsfield thats on the line rather than anything to do with Marsh lane. |
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Post by Mark Neal on Dec 14, 2015 14:09:03 GMT
We need re-assurances on where our club stands. As supporters we deserve answers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 14:48:30 GMT
For those that didnt hear: Brian Cox Chairman OCFC Charitable company. 'Most unfortunate what has happened, Oxford city F C will not be effected by what is happening. He, (TAG) helped set up the Berinsfield Futsal operation that continues, so does the separate runing of ocfc.' I don't think the club are going to be able to elaborate more due to legalities but Brian has pretty much confirmed what I was getting at in my previous post. Sounds from that small comment that its berinsfield thats on the line rather than anything to do with Marsh lane. They only gave part of the interview with Brian at 9.35am. They gave the rest at 1.35pm. I do not want to miss quote him but he added, that The 49% was now back with the charitable company. He said the club structure was now far better than before, Berinsfield continues, No suggestion of anything being cut or changed. There will be another major sports news report around 5.30-35 pm. Also i have the 6.30pm bbc oxford news on reminder. |
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Post by TAGwatch on Dec 14, 2015 16:18:31 GMT
Colin Taylor is quoted in the Oxford Mail as saying 'We clearly would not condone any form of malpractice, in any way, but obviously the club had no knowledge or control of what went on in a separate legal entity the other side of the world."
No knowledge - really? Some remarkably ostrich-like behaviour there then (or some economy with the truth).
There is also the following line in the article: "Mr Taylor also said that no money from the club had gone into Mr Guerriero’s ventures in America'. I think what Mr Taylor needs to worry about more is whether money from Mr Guerriero's ventures in America went into the club (and the reference to a loss of sponsorship suggests it did). I wonder if the US authorities will ask the UK's to investigate.
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Post by toocoulson4schoolson on Dec 14, 2015 16:51:39 GMT
There is also the following line in the article: "Mr Taylor also said that no money from the club had gone into Mr Guerriero’s ventures in America'. I think what Mr Taylor needs to worry about more is whether money from Mr Guerriero's ventures in America went into the club (and the reference to a loss of sponsorship suggests it did). I wonder if the US authorities will ask the UK's to investigate. As far as I'm aware there can be no repercussions for selling sponsorship to a W****r. I believe it works the same was an any other advertising space - an individual or company buys the rights to use it and can put pretty much whatever they want on it (within reason). In theory, we could buy it and put Shane's face on there. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 17:33:25 GMT
I wonder if anyone has told Sven yet? you know the Swedish fire alarm outfit thats still on the
back of our shirts, last i heard TAG made him honary something or other gave him a certificate and medal....
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Post by emma on Dec 14, 2015 17:49:07 GMT
Sven is Oxford City's Swedish Director: www.prweb.com/releases/2015/08/prweb12930874.htmIt's amazing that someone with enough nous to run a reasonably successful business could have been taken in by Guerriero's bullsh*t, when it seemed so obvious he was dodgy from the first press release. I guess TAG is more plausible face-to-face than he seems on the internet or in the paper. |
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Post by Watcher on Dec 14, 2015 18:14:27 GMT
Sven Hall will be another made up person, probably lived on the made up university campus.
Thomas is familiar with his brother Fuk Hall
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Post by factchecker on Dec 14, 2015 18:18:02 GMT
I guess TAG is more plausible face-to-face than he seems on the internet or in the paper. I know some people who have dealt with TAG face-to-face and their opinion was that he is properly delusional, i.e. he actually believes his own bullshit. That sort of conviction can be very convincing - if you don't do any other research, which is exactly what a boiler room operation counts on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 18:21:46 GMT
Yes, he could spin a yarn or two...
One for after Christmas diner perhaps...
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Post by factchecker on Dec 14, 2015 18:40:41 GMT
Just had a quick look at some of the court papers. TAG has 10 charges against him.
Count 1 is Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and mail fraud
Counts 2-4 are for Wire fraud
Counts 5-7 are for Mail fraud
Counts 8-9 are for Witness tampering
Count 10 for Obstruction of justice
Pass the popcorn someone, this could be a fun watch!
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Post by Realistic Yellows Fan on Dec 15, 2015 11:09:40 GMT
Just seen this in the Oxford Mail on page 3:
"FA: Club Directors must pass the test
The Football Association has confirmed former Oxford City FC director Thomas Guerriero could not have taken up his role at the club without passing its Owners' and Directors' Test.
The FA would not comment on the individual case but confirmed all those looking to be involved in the running of a club must pass its test, which ensures candidates meet standards "over and above the law" such as being expelled from another club or convicted of betting or bribery offences."
To be honest it looks like your directors have used their initiative and done everything by the book!
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Post by hedges on Dec 15, 2015 14:05:28 GMT
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Post by Watcher on Dec 15, 2015 14:42:03 GMT
Pretty alarming reading a fair way down the article One "79-year-old widow" was tricked into believing that she had already agreed to buy shares, tried to not buy the shares, got a threatening e-mail, and: Five days later, the widow had a heart attack that she attributes to the stress Defendants placed on her, and soon thereafter, liquidated a substantial portion of her stable annuity and gave Defendants $250,000. www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-14/bonds-plastic-and-boiler-rooms |
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Post by emma on Dec 15, 2015 19:47:23 GMT
Here is the full litigation document: www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2015/comp-pr2015-278.pdf It is a horror show. Not only the 79 year old widow mentioned above but also some poor bloke who borrowed $50,000 off his sister to get TAG off his back. The SEC say TAG's only genuine revenue has come from our club. If the club's money is held by OCFC Trading, as we've been told, rather than OCFC Inc, why does SEC still think that the revenue went into OCFC Inc? As far as the "Fit and Proper" test goes, I did look into that when TAG first raised his ugly head. As long as you don't have a criminal conviction for fraud, the FA aren't interested. The guy I spoke to at the FA said that if being a liar was enough to fail the fit and proper test, there'd be no one left in football management in the country. Which is a fair point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 9:11:37 GMT
Yes, all I can say is that anyone who falls victim to any Fraud has my deepest sympathy. Will not be commenting any further on that, as its part of a judicial process. I will however address this: The SEC say TAG's only genuine revenue has come from our club. If the club's money is held by OCFC Trading, as we've been told, rather than OCFC Inc, why does SEC still think that the revenue went into OCFC Inc? There is in his last returns IRS statement where he mentions revenue from turnstyles refreshments etc,not sure a sum was put on it. Also as he was runing OCFC Texas at the same time, Now the IRS may or may not find this to be accurate. I am sure if its not more charges will follow. And after all the publicity and probable contact between the IRS and Inland revenue, they often compare notes where officers of a company from both their Jurisdictions are alledged to have comitted an offence or multiple offences, as do Their Federal Authorities and our Police Authorities. As was also metioned on a thread earlier as part of the FA's tightening up proceedure on company directors assets they will be visiting many non league clubs, as I am sure is still on their website. I think we will be the first port of call. Clubs will need licences from their repective leagues in order to compete,and meet certain criteria explained in the article below, from next season. www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/12637/fa-to-introduce-stricter-rules-on-non-league-clubs/ |
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